tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post2164024142603120914..comments2024-01-06T14:52:06.188+05:30Comments on PurpleMoon: The side effects of globalization!Saeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05494844880445422552noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-31067378847460849242010-01-24T17:08:27.488+05:302010-01-24T17:08:27.488+05:30I am tired of arguments over this issue.
Sanskrit...I am tired of arguments over this issue. <br />Sanskrit is considered a dead language..and even then in olden times not all people spoke Sanskrit.<br />You should know the difference between a "dying language" and a language that is being disrespected by a small class of people. <br />Someone NOT SPEAKING Marathi at a bank counter is NOT a sign of a dying language. <br />We have close to 30 daily newspapers being published in Marathi every day in Maharashtra.<br />We have contemparory writers like Shyam Manohar, Asha Bage, Sadanand Deshmukh.<br />Not just this, we have poets like Kavi Grace or even the very popular Ayushyawar bolu kahi doing 500 shows. <br />There is enough children's literature being written. There enough news and entertainment channels in Marathi. <br />These are definitely signs of a dying language. <br />If you want to focus on Marathi being used in Mumbai there could be truth in your argument but that should not mean that the language is "dying". I come from Pune and Marathi is very well alive in my city. So much so that all the radio channels have more than an hour of Marathi songs everyday. <br />And except big cities like Pune and Mumbai, Marathi is the schooling language of majority of Maharashtra. <br />I think you are upset about Marathi not being used in Mumbai but since Mumbai is more diverse than rest of Maharashtra,it would be difficult to make everyone in Mumbai speak Marathi. <br />And the whole of India comes under "strain on infrastructure".That does not mean governments can drive people out of India.<br />Instead of working on beating up people and sending them out of Mumbai, issues like rural employment, electricity for small scale industry in rural India, encouraging enterpreneurship should be the goals of people elected to the office. <br />As long as you hold an Indian passport, you are free to work anywhere in India. So if more and more people choose Mumbai, it is hard to stop them. <br />I don't want to continue talking on this issue anymore as I think I am repeating myself and digressing from the main topic. If you do not agree with me, let us agree that we disagree. <br />Cheers<br />SaeeSaeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494844880445422552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-6369301152682230332010-01-24T16:12:04.867+05:302010-01-24T16:12:04.867+05:30And along with Marathi dying I also stated the rea...And along with Marathi dying I also stated the reason for RT violence to be massive overload on mumbai's infrastructure. It would be ludicrous if you deny that as well.Jack the Ripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637761858764995228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-85367738162650597262010-01-24T16:04:04.602+05:302010-01-24T16:04:04.602+05:301.well if you've decided to close your eyes co...1.well if you've decided to close your eyes completely one cant help. "One can only bring water to horse, its upto the horse to drink it or not". <br />I think you have closed your mind to such an extent that even opinions of people like Kaushal inamdar or pu.la.deshpande couldnt affect you. <br />2.I mean if a bank official denies to speak in marathi inside maharashtra to a marathi customer and still his business is booming, I dont understand how is the phenomenon in my head? If a company like telecom company denies to speak marathi inside maharashtra to a marathi celebrity then how is this only in my head? These are not my dreams these are real instances.:(<br />3.Either that or you are not at all aware of ground realities in Maharastra and India and are happy generalizing from superficial sources as per your convenience. <br />4.I think u've been a victim of extreme colonial mentality otherwise you wud'nt have called "vishuddha hindi" a joke. I only wish that I was wrong in this debate of Marathi dying.Jack the Ripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637761858764995228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-91959338904586755872010-01-24T08:12:11.808+05:302010-01-24T08:12:11.808+05:30@ Jack
There IS no plight of Marathi. Marathi can ...@ Jack<br />There IS no plight of Marathi. Marathi can sustain itself without the Pallavi Joshis and the news channels. <br />There is enough literature and movies being produced. There are enough students in Marathi schools and even the English schools teach Marathi. I don't think this "Marathi is dying" is a valid argument at all.<br />It must be "dying" in certain people's heads. It is very well surviving and progressing all over Maharashtra.<br />http://marathiblogs.net/<br />Look at how many people blog in Marathi. It is not just active amongst people in India but also people living abroad. <br />These are not signs of a dying language. <br />If you are concerned about the "fate of Marathi" you do not need to worry about it. But if you want to use it to blame someone else, there is nothing anything can do about it too!<br />What you say about words being used from English is true for all languages in India. If radio Mirchi starts broadcasting in "vishuddha Hindi" it would end up as a joke.Saeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494844880445422552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-69286325877800955442010-01-24T06:23:16.623+05:302010-01-24T06:23:16.623+05:301.Thanks for showing at least an inclination to ag...1.Thanks for showing at least an inclination to agree about the plight of marathi. Feels nice and I appreciate the fact of non-marathi people taking up marathi. But, I can also use ur same example to point out how many times Pallavi Joshi uses english words when prefectly legitimate marathi words are available eg. "points" vs. "gooN" etc. Why to go for some abstract statistics, just see how many of ur young relatives/friends who've become parents newly are willing to put their child in marathi medium school. Go to any housing society in outskirts of puNe and see if the names on letterboxes are in marathi. Look at any marathi news channel(private) and see how many english words are being used. I think if I go like this I wud end up writing "marathi chyaa apamaanaache 501 prakaar". So the evidence is overwhelming. <br />2.I know words keep on getting imported and exported from&to languages. But that happens when there isn't an appropriate word in the original language. like 'navigation' which came in english from sanskrit or 'pharlaang' came in marathi from 'furlong'. But incase of point#1 the reason is different hence the pace of change and so the lost social-self-esteem.<br />3.Now about mumbai-bihari issue. If you look at the big picture Raj Thackery is just a prominently visible episode of the phenomenon of what has been happening through past 60+ yrs. We have been neglecting some states and regions and giving unequal importance to others. This discrimination caused the potential gap, forcing unmanageable migrations from poorer regions to where jobs are available and in turn putting a massive overload on those region's infrastructure as well. Condemning Raj Thackery's violence without quoting above causes is equally misguiding as much as Raj's violence itself. <br />4.Just an example: Since 2003 any car registered outside London and coming into London has to pay a "congestion tax" of 8pounds/day because he is causing a congestion by coming into London even though he is a UK citizen and free to go anywhere in the country. They didn't use excuse of this freedom against this tax. The decision was accepted in proper context. We need to understand the migration problem of mumbai in a similar context.Jack the Ripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637761858764995228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-89563269765285747232010-01-24T04:49:37.645+05:302010-01-24T04:49:37.645+05:30thougtful observations...also kaushal inamdarancha...thougtful observations...also kaushal inamdarancha lekh suddha spruhaniya aahe!Swayambhuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664071636172086792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-14385581477136433132010-01-24T04:44:54.171+05:302010-01-24T04:44:54.171+05:30@ JAck.
I changed my post to read what I meant. An...@ JAck.<br />I changed my post to read what I meant. And when I mean we should analyze causes..it is in both cases. But we cannot deny people the right to work in their own country for the sake of endangering the culture!<br />Every person works hard to get where he is. <br />So many Marathi people go to the US every year! If people in the US make laws against them, or start attacking them, would you call that fair? <br />And at least it is a new country. So there is still room to accept that they might not want to employ us. But accepting this in your own country could cause a lot of trauma!<br />Just the way you say that Marathi is dying, there are also many instances where non-Marathi people have started speaking it.<br />This year in a TV show called Sa.Re.Ga.Ma.Pa, the top three have two non-marathi people. Rahul Saxena and Abhilasha Chellam. Both of them sing songs that even a well-educated Marathi boy/girl would not know. <br />We have film directors like Jabbar Patel who are not Marathi but have made the most beautiful Marathi films. <br />This marathi/non marathi issue is being sold to people of Maharashtra only to get votes. Once in power, no one would be able to do what they promise. Only because eradicating non-maharashtrians from Mumbai is impossible, unconstitutional and dictatorial.Saeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494844880445422552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-35198563250820269542010-01-24T00:52:31.996+05:302010-01-24T00:52:31.996+05:30Attacks whether in mumbai or australia or on Mars ...Attacks whether in mumbai or australia or on Mars are disgraceful,period. No doubts about it.<br />My concern was you have deeply thought about the causes behind Aussie attacks. And you have said not only should we condemn the attacks but also think about things that are root cause of it.V.Good!<br />But in case of mumbai(and this includes ur previous post as well) you openly condemned the attacks but you have denied the causes(any endangering of marathi lang/ culture).<br />U are painting a picture that Aussie attacks although wrong, are a result of a valid cause behind it, where as there is no cause whatsoever behind mumbai attacks. <br />That was why I had sent you kaushal inamdar's interview in that link. Hope you read it and agree that 'marathi' is in danger, causing suffering to millions of local maharashtrians.Jack the Ripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637761858764995228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-88851285021354802752010-01-23T20:51:09.144+05:302010-01-23T20:51:09.144+05:30Saee! I fully subscribe to your view point.The Med...Saee! I fully subscribe to your view point.The Media always hypes the issues and generally present "their view point".<br /><br />The news in media is so concentrated that we at once start beliving in the news. The point you raised about MNS campain in Maharashtra aginst Biharie can be applauded by Marathi people then the same principal should be applied to the Australians. If we condem these attacks ignoring what happens in our own land then it is absolutely playing double standards.<br /><br />I remember when I went to Punjab in 1984 amidist the Khalistan movement, the press in Maharashtra had presented a picture that Punjab was totally unsafe.But I travelled even to Golden Temple in Amritsar I felt safe. I found that generally the Sikh community had hospitability and cared for us unlike they were painted as terrorists by Media.Every community has bad people but good people are more.<br /><br />What every one needs is introspection!शिरीषhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09469546761567921819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-44014579163000262292010-01-23T17:32:41.306+05:302010-01-23T17:32:41.306+05:30@JAck..
My point was to bring out the double stand...@JAck..<br />My point was to bring out the double standards. Attacks anywhere should be condemned. But at least the governments should not openly justify and cause them. It just ends up alienating cultures and making generalizations. <br />It would be more respectful for Balasaheb Thakray to say, "See! This is what we are trying to say in Mumbai. This exact behaviour is causing them problems even in Australia!"<br />Of course that would be a HUGE generalization and completely wrong. <br />Just the way it is splashed all over the news how Australia "depends" on the funds brought in by Indians, is it not true that the if the Gujrathi, Bihari community in Mumbai stops working even for a day, Mumbai would stop working too! <br />And drunk angry Aussies attacking taxi drivers is one thing, and a full fledged movement to beat up "foreigners" in Maharashtra launched by an elected representative is another. Both are equally disgraceful, but the latter is even ironical. <br />At least the government in Australia has taken responsibility and is working towards the safety of minorities. I can see police officers on every train station on weekends and security in every train after 6 pm.Saeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494844880445422552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-51402815386854778652010-01-23T17:26:03.342+05:302010-01-23T17:26:03.342+05:30This is precisely what happens when one makes a “k...This is precisely what happens when one makes a “koshimbir” of many issues. A stark self contradiction.<br /><br />Heres your say on Aussie attacks “We should all condemn these attacks but we should not close our eyes to the reasons that cause them.”<br /><br />But when it comes attacks on Biharis you emphasize only on condemning the attacks with a naked denial of endangering of local culture.<br /><br />Heres some evidence for you. And not from a common person like me but a talented musician who comes in contact with the cultural aspects of marathi day in and day out.<br /><br />http://72.78.249.124/esakal/20100122/5262832371834610384.htmJack the Ripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637761858764995228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36401632.post-1587779666530181302010-01-23T17:21:21.912+05:302010-01-23T17:21:21.912+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.Jack the Ripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637761858764995228noreply@blogger.com